My opinion of the people who can give good games

[lightnessking.]

You all (besides tricky) are making a huge le stupido le mistakos, what tricky meant to say with ARE YOU SERIOUS, is the fact that FRED wins versus anyone, therefore being the best player in the world. (Not just in Empire Earth, he also pwns in Solitaire, and Rollercoaster tycoon.)

Short story:

WINS VERSUS

[Arntzen]

BC? Doubt he was that good lol, nobody (but himself) ever spoke of him being anything special. He couldn't play wing and always just boomed and let his wing down in pocket. + he cheated many times. You really want him to have the last word?

No, but want him to have a say in this matter for sure. Idc if he isnt well liked. He played back then, bones said they had 50/50 win/loss. Meaning BC played on a very high level, thats enough.
Anyway my point was to have more experts talk than just Samuel.

[Samuel]

I'd like to call in ras/bones/bc/wolvy/krass/splinter as witnesses. Can't say I'm satisfied with you, Samuel, as haveing the last word here. After all you, as you stated yourself your area of expertise are 3-2 years from now. Overlooking the 7 other years.

Also that ras wins the argument because of is reputation to me just sounds dumb. Considering every eC and most people on here have only seen at his prime Krass, and not Ras. When you ask BONES or BC who actually have seen both at their prime, they say Ras. Then again, those two arent enough to please you all I'm sure.

As if Ras cared any more than BONES about his reputation since 2008. -.-

Also about the overlooking, BONES said himself he played equal to BC when they were both at their best, and I cant see BC on anyones list. And they both told me Ras > them. As many of you know they have huge ego's so they wud not say something like this, unless it was more or less obvious.

To first off, as far as Black-Cobra is concerned, I would like to post this link:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1980

And have a look at what Cobra was doing before being caught, he would post things like this xD
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1929

As far as BONES is concerned, I remember asking him and he replied he thought Krass as the best player he had ever seen. Having played with Splinter hundreds of games, I know Splint's opinion too, and Wolvy agrees on it too.

It's true, I may not know ras abilities prior to 2008, but it seems to me that I'm not the one who should prove he's not as good as krass, HE is the one who has to prove he is.

And just as much as Krass has proven me and other players that he's been the best in at least the last 3 years, I don't think ras has ever proven you he ever was as good as Krass when he played back then.

[ben55]

Kazter in all honesty, you're the only player I've ever heard speak so highly of ras in any setting. The fact you claimed BC was an expert really hurts your credibility too LOL.

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

samuel my comments from watching alot of 1v1s and i watched loads of 1v1s between ras and krass when ras was winning on games.

I dont claim to have played 1v1 v all these players cus i hardly 1v1 anyway cus i suck at it but didnt mean i didnt obs loads of 1v1. I know krass is shit hot player but for phobia saying ras wouldnt even make top 10 in team games is a joke thats one thing i did play alot of is team games. I think phobia and nemo under estimate ras too much.

If ras was that bad how come krass and goldeneye wanted to merge ec clan with ws back then or u lot didnt know that? and 3 years ago when people used to say who they thought was best in lobby it was always between krass ras and goldeneye so to see phobia say he aint even in top 5 is pretty funny in my book.

[ben55]

but for phobia saying ras wouldnt even make top 10 in team games is a joke

I did not say that. I said he was an excellent team player.

so to see phobia say he aint even in top 5 is pretty funny in my book.

Not at 1v1 no, I don't believe he is top five. The only argument I'm seeing is "well when Ras tried way back in teh day".

[Samuel]

Tricky, are you talking about their 1v1s in 2007, and (maybe) early 2008?

Besides, nobody is saying ras isn't good. Tricky I think you still judge on what you feel rather than on what you should see, because to you, it doesn't matter how good other players become, to you ras will always be #1 or at least top 3

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

phobia: I think Ras is a good team player, maybe top 10 if you just look at it from a team perspective, but 1v1 I wouldn't even rate him top 10.

maybe top 10 u said phobia

I cant remember what year it was think 2007 sam
To be fair i dont normal judge on anything people used to say to me who u think is best and i always said its out of ras krass and goldy in no order cus i think all 3 are a class act.

[ben55]

I meant it an overall perspective. Like if you added team and 1v1 together. His team game skills would put him in the top 10, it was actually a compliment to his team skills.

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

ah i get ya my bad

[ben55]

From an AOC player's perspective (basically I have no strong bias towards some deep entrenched eec feelings or what not) Although I was in eC mainly just mod tl though on AOC. But skulls and ras too to an extension pretty much taught me liga, so that probably cancels that out.

The best I played were

krass>sam=dave>splinter>bones after that it is pretty messy, I'd say Skulls, Ras and Wolvy would be next in line though.


this is just 1v1 though. I think it is impossible to rate overall, since people value things differently (individual skill vs team play skill, etc)

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

true to be fair its just like football players everyone will have there fav who they think are better than others.

Kirac fwd easy win

[lightnessking.]

true to be fair its just like football players everyone will have there fav who they think are better than others.

Kirac fwd easy win

fred is the best ee player and footballer

[dan]

Ras is really under rated.. Just cause he looses vs krass dont mean he is a bad player

[Captain Nemo]

Never said he wasn't awsome... To me he is probably the best all sett player after goldi and krass.