The God debate

[Trichome Indica]

Truth is my God and although I don't worship it ; I endeavour with all my Spirit to seek it out.
Music in the flow of life is my religion, I seek guidance, joy and peace there.

I respect all peoples viewpoints and try hard not to trample on them. I also have high regard for people who are steadfast in their particular faiths as long as they strive towards living positively, personal growth, peace, love and understanding. Although i choose not to follow any mainstream religion does not negate the fact that i am, we are spiritual beings. A person can exist on this plane with no religious beliefs, have a very successful life, prosper, populate , love and be loved. This can be achieved without associated religious denominations verifying that it is un·nec·es·sar·y .
There is much, much more to this reality that any of us have been told.
It is my only intent to pry open closed minds to other possibilities that may, or may not exist.

"In order to grasp the truth, you must use your free will and freedom of thought. Do not let your mind get trapped within the religious or scientific paradigms. Religion and science are simply forms of control that were created by the ruling elite long before you were born. And thus, it is a shame that after being born on this planet, you were raised on either of those two lies.


Naturally, since you have been lied to about reality your entire life, any truthful revelations contradicting your false worldview may indeed appear to be far-fetched. But, to make things even worse, human beings are stubborn creatures who let their egos override everything else: Instead of learning about new information that does not fit within your current worldview, you would rather exercise your ego by letting others know what is and is not possible, merely based upon your personal knowledge and feeble understanding of what actually exists. " Truthism

[Arntzen]

Maybe you should go on explaining why you're religious and why you think God exists.

Well that's simple I'm relgious because I believe in God the eternal father, his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, and I believe that The church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints is the true church.

I wasn't asking what you believe, I was asking why you believe it. Your basically saying "I'm religious because I'm religious". Which doesn't make much sense at all. Again, question is why not what.

As for why God is exists, I believe this has a lot more to do with your spiritual side then your physical, through prayer you will be answered, it just may not be in ways you expected, as you saw in my first part of the last long post I did, I spoke about how to read and gave you those links, For instance there is a famous book of Mormon scripture at the end of the book, which reads:
Moroni 10:4-5
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
This scripture apply to the end of the Book of Mormon, but the other things I have linked for you, i urge you to pray about them to.

Not asking why God exist, I'm asking why you think he exist. If I understand you correctly you're saying you think he exist because your prayers has been answered?

***NOTE***
I'm not interested in all your links. Specially because you present them as evidence. Remember, they might seem like evidence to you since you actually believe, but for anyone who don't believe they're not.
Let's take the link that allegedly explains how The Flood in Noah's story happens.

We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God’s prophets.

[Arntzen]

Religion and science are simply forms of control that were created by the ruling elite long before you were born.

Science? Explain.

[AnonymousMadScriber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQSsEgimgcA

[Cordell Mobilio]

if god exists then u win big by believing in him
if he doesnt exist then u lose nothing by beleivng in him but belief gives u happyness
if he exists and u dont beleive then u loose a lot cause u burn for a looong time
if he dont exist and u dont believe u dont loose much but u cant be happy because u just die and life has no purpose

this mean you should believe in allah, the one true god

[Lavanger]

there is a women president(aus:( ) and a black guy running the world

-.- god is no excisto

[Captain Nemo]

if god exists then u win big by believing in him
if he doesnt exist then u lose nothing by beleivng in him but belief gives u happyness
if he exists and u dont beleive then u loose a lot cause u burn for a looong time
if he dont exist and u dont believe u dont loose much but u cant be happy because u just die and life has no purpose

this mean you should believe in allah, the one true god

You can't force yourself to believe in something u simply don't believe in. It's not a choice you make it's something you're brainwashed to believe in. If you're not brainwashed to believe in anything u can make up a mind of your own.

I don't believe in God, and it's the same for most danes. Yet, we are the happiest people in the world 3 years in a row. Do explain your great philosophy.

My life's purpose is to be happy. I make up my own purpose I don't need anyone to tell me.

[extreme1337]

This is my own thought here.> I'll use Australia for example. Australia had all the resources, natural animals that did not ruin the habitat such as rabbits that were bought over from England, Australia provided for the Aboriginals and to be honest its only from the human advancement that the Earth is dying. Coal/ petrol etc. The techno age has had its pros and cons, I'm not saying it wasn't needed but in my opinion when the natives of the country had the land, it was a cycle, animals were killed for food, not for fun, trees got back burned to grow again (something like that, haven't done history for a while ), but the world was simple and it wasn't getting destroyed, but that's my opinion and I'm sure some things from this paragraph are wrong, but the Earth (not the people) then was more perfect than it is now.

The average age of a human being was something like 30-40 years old. They were not "in balance" with the nature because they wanted, but because they were unable to support themselves more efficiently. Any species on earth attempts to benefit itself and reproduce as effectively as possible. Ppopulate the Earth" isn't that what God told us to do? "Rule the land and the animals" it is yours. Aboriginals did not believe that they "owned" any land. They believed the land owned them. Whatever God says pretty much tells us to take advantage of the Earth as we like. But I like how you make a case against your own religion here.

FYI: It's not the Earth that is dying, it will be fine. But life on the planet as we know it may face big changes ahead.

Question 1: If life after death is in fact a better than life. How come murder is so bad? By your logic it seems it's just a "tick in the sky".

Question 2: If we are God's children what made Jesus so special?

Question 3: How can you worship a God who is by all morale definitions evil?

Question 4: When you say Omega do you in fact mean me?

PS: What is the link you gave but a story about the 10 commandments? You just wasted a lot of my time.

[Lavanger]

just a question, how can you determine your gods real, when you havn't studied any of the others, your just going along with what you've been braught up with, herik have you studied any other religion other then being christian , catholic w.e?

i just think its funny how all religions kinda have that 'magical factor' in them -.- didnt happen thing

[Hitchslap]

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.


By trying to adjust to the findings that it once tried so viciously to ban and repress, religion has only succeeded in restating the same questions that undermined it in earlier epochs. What kind of designer or creator is so wasteful and capricious and approximate? What kind of designer or creator is so cruel and indifferent? And—most of all—what kind of designer or creator only chooses to “reveal” himself to semi-stupefied peasants in desert regions?


The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.


Religion has run out of justifications. Thanks to the telescope and the microscope, it no longer offers an explanation of anything important. Where once it used to be able, by its total command of a worldview, to prevent the emergence of rivals, it can now only impede and retard—or try to turn back—the measurable advances that we have made.
Sometimes, true, it will artfully concede them. But this is to offer itself the choice between irrelevance and obstruction, impotence or outright reaction, and, given this choice, it is programmed to select the worse of the two.
Meanwhile, confronted with undreamed-of vistas inside our own evolving cortex, in the farthest reaches of the known universe, and in proteins and acids which constitute our nature, religion offers either annihilation in the name of god, or else the false promise that if we take a knife to our foreskins, or pray in the right direction, or ingest pieces of wafer, we shall be “saved.”


Our belief is not a belief. Our principles are not a faith. We do not rely solely upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather than sufficient factors, but we distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason. We may differ on many things, but what we respect is free inquiry, openmindedness, and the pursuit of ideas for their own sake.


Religion is man-made. Even the men who made it cannot agree on what their prophets or redeemers or gurus actually said or did.


Of the other bodies in our solar system alone, the rest are all either far too cold to support anything recognizable as life, or far too hot. The same, as it happens, is true of our own blue and rounded planetary home, where heat contends with cold to make large tracts of it into useless wasteland, and where we have come to learn that we live, and have always lived, on a climatic knife edge. Meanwhile, the sun is getting ready to explode and devour its dependent planets like some jealous chief or tribal deity. Some design!


Those who desire to certify miracles may wish to say that such recoveries have no "natural" explanation. But this does not at all mean that there is therefore a "supernatural" one.


Saved this one for last...
The gods that we've made are exactly the gods you'd expect to be made by a species that's about half a chromosome away from being chimpanzee.

[eeralf_]

if god exists then u win big by believing in him
if he doesnt exist then u lose nothing by beleivng in him but belief gives u happyness
if he exists and u dont beleive then u loose a lot cause u burn for a looong time
if he dont exist and u dont believe u dont loose much but u cant be happy because u just die and life has no purpose

this mean you should believe in allah, the one true god

wtf on all. all civs had one or more God's, but only cuz nature problems like earthqauke, vulcano, ateroids and all others, damn God is building by brain not more , please dont tell large stories here , its real easy, god never exist, only in ur chemical bad brain
Prooooooost!!!!!!!!!, its hard but true

[lightnessking.]

After years of explaining why religious is a waste of resources, time and welfare I decided not to get in this discussion since the atheists already won. GG NO RE.

[Fraktardo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQSsEgimgcA

lmao


Atheists in this thread... i got *o*ne thing to say to you, .... GET OUT

[eeralf_]

a simple Philo Quest
god known all, he/she know the future, all what happens, lol, what sense make it?, its real boring for him, or?
Edit: and maybe God thinks about himself and ask, who create me?, lol

[Icestorm2]

eeralf, do you still have that photo of yourself sleeping naked in an alley?