Why smurfing ?

[Lancelot5]

Why is it allowed to smurf games ? There is no advantage at all and i really dont understand it.

Smurfing leads to unbalanced teams, stupid discussion about the identity of new and unkown players which is really annoying.
It makes it hard for new and unkown players to get any game because there is no possibility to proof who they actually are. I simply kick them(many other do same). But its also dumb because it could be that i sometimes kick old good player.
It also suck when smurfers flaming u ingame but u just find out their names later and u maybe have played many games with them under their known name. Its very disrespectful.

If u ask Moderators why smurfing is allowed u get such stupid anwser like "everyone has the right to change name" . If u add a list of all accountnames a player is using in Lobby , they still can use all names but we just know who they are. So for me the only reason why smurfing is allowed is to annoy other players. Dont see any advantage.

[simple_faith]

lancelot5 or should i say lancefagalot lol! i bet you made this topic because i told dexer to let calv and joey in, they weren't smurfing, calv has been playing for years and just got back. and joey joined epics new clan but obviously your so ignorant that whenever you see a you name "shit folks new name i havent seen before ill go retard mode and flame them for smurfing" everyone knew who they were, i even asked if you wanted to see all their names even though its not allowed but im sure joey and calv wouldnt mind just to shut you up :]

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

since we cant give smurf names of ppl maybe we can work out where we can tell you if they are new or smurf but thats for ghost or omega to decide. Cus if they are new guys they aint getting kicked for being acused of smurfs.

Normally you can tell between a smurf and new guy with names

[simple_faith]

i dont think lancefagalot can tell, hence the new nickname lancearetardalot get it????????

[Arntzen]

If u ask Moderators why smurfing is allowed u get such stupid anwser like "everyone has the right to change name".

The stupid answer came from me, and I can try explain my opinion better.
As a user of this client your allowed to change names if you want to. Also as an user of save-ee u have the right to not tell anyone ur other nicknames.
-Do I support smurfing?
Yes and no. Yes because it can be fun to sometimes go on a 1v1 winstreak where u have to listen to ppl guess who you are. OR just be beefy with a friend going 2v2 NO ONE CAN MATCH US 2342342-0 undefeated since 2002.
No because it really sucks in teamgames. If you look from a liga point of veiw, thats not so bad because games are pretty quick anyway. But in p2n it can "ruin" 2hours of gametime for 7 other people.

since we cant give smurf names of ppl maybe we can work out where we can tell you if they are new or smurf but thats for ghost or omega to decide.

To me this sounds like a really good idea. Tho remember that old players sometimes show up to play some games, so I dont want this to backfire on them. "Sorry moderator says ur new player" and then kick the poor guy.

[Lancelot5]

No Mr. Simple Faith i didnt made this topic because of this. At that day i just got pissed because i dont want to play with these guys u invited. Rok Joey where smurfing in 1vs1 pregame and start flame etc because i was kicking him for being unkown or beginner ( i dont know him under this name) also in 4vs4 he starts flaming. But he knows that i know him under Rok Joey so he just want to waste my time otherwise he just could have told me who he is. And Aenima also smurfed our games 2 years ago so i dont have real respect for him. Than another guy u invited calv / calver i forgot join and pick grey color. All in all as i also had said for me a that it would bad game. So i left. Then ur start ur flaming again as usual and it just become annoying for me. I really dont understand why u become moderator earth or water would fit this position much better.
I just follow simple rule:
If u want to play come with ur known name. If u new we have to see if we get another one for fair teams otherwise go train 1vs1 first or start playing aoc because its easier to get in the game. ( U really need fair teams on medit map otherwise its terrible to play. Its much different compared to plains map or so)

I made this Topic in general because smurfing really suxx. I play for like 2-3 years now EE and got a lots of trouble with this. And i am not the only one. Other players dislike this situation too. And as Katzer said it can ruin the game for 7 other players. I dont know how it affects liga or other sets but when u only have less time for playing a day and the games can be long like in pre it really waste ur time. Many players already left because we arent possible to get fast some good games. I think smurfing is one reason for that. I still dont get why its so hard to use just 1 name and standing for it.

[simple_faith]

???? not good for this position? i think ive helped more people than you have ever played pre games(which is probably thousands ) in your life m8. and i told you he was RoK joey, and the color, calv was afk lol! he changed it as soon as he came back lol!!! shit folks lanceafaglot5 spreading his faggotry folks someone call da fag patrol

[Omega]

Smurfing is a part of the game, and has been a part of the game since day 1. This is why we continue to "allow" it on the lobby. Plus, even if smurfing were not allowed, it's not like people wouldn't just try and circumvent that rule anyway. There are many types of players, who at certain times, don't want to play on their "known" name for whatever reason. Maybe they've ruined their reputation and want to start fresh. Maybe they're tired of other players annoying them on their main name when they do play. Or maybe they're just looking for some nice, casual games that don't involve intense competition. Oh, and by 'many types of players', I'm basically referring to the fact that 99%+ of the lobby has at least one smurf name, if not dozens.

As for revealing the names a player has without their knowledge or consent, we will not do that. Any moderator who does it will either get a warning, or get fired. If someone tells a moderator that they can reveal their names, and the moderator doesn't mind the bother of doing so, then that's fine, but don't expect staff to get into a habit of checking players for smurfing.

We also won't say, confirm that a certain player is new or not as policy, since if that were the case, it's really equivalent to disallowing smurfing. Even if we don't ever state they're actually a smurf and just confirm certain players are not smurfs, it seems obvious that if someone isn't NOT a smurf then they must a smurf, just like -(-1) is 1.

As for why Faith is a moderator and Water or Earth is not, the answer starts with this: they've never applied, and Faith has. If you want to see them as moderators, get them to apply the next time a moderator slot is open and we will consider them.

I do sympathize with p2n and p2s players in that when teams are uneven, the game is a waste of time, and a very long one at that. However, that's just inherent to the nature of the setting, and you're not going to get around it unless you can completely stop smurfing (which you cannot, although you can limit it at the expense of kicking old players you don't know as well as people who are new) or you change the settings around a bit (which could work if players would accept say, 2v2v2v2 or playing with locked teams off and then effectively re-balancing the teams mid-game, both of which I'm sure will never happen). Heck, even though it won't happen, re-balancing the teams mid-game would work exceptionally well with a new map type like Vicious Isthmi. It'd change how the game is played significantly, but whatever. Finally, you could all just drop and host again if you notice a player is significantly better than they claimed originally. Regardless, the 'problem' with smurfing really isn't as pronounced in other settings at all... since you play, say, a liga game with seriously imbalanced teams and it's over within 15-20 f11, and then you play again with different teams. Plus, having unbalanced teams occasionally, in my opinion, does some good. If teams are always well balanced, there's absolutely zero incentive for players to improve, since they've got about a 50% shot at winning no matter how well or how poorly they play.

[Arntzen]

I really dont understand why u become moderator

Faith does ALOT more than what u think, and he's a good moderator.

earth or water would fit this position much better

I'm sorry, but this is such a preplayer-thing to say.

[eeralf_]

Lancelot u are totaly right

in my first internet games (1994) or so, only one name was allowed, cuz ranking system (for e.g C&C)

but why i smurf sometimes

- too many beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
- Civ Test
- want incognito , cuz boring on comunication
- only insects online


lol, buts easy to detect me, u see it on my civ name normaly, or listen my speaking


Ralf, the small insect

[Lancelot5]

I just list earth and water because they are players with respect and attitude. But thats not the point we discussing here ...

Back to smurfing:

Omega, u say that smurfing was always a part of the game. But why u want contine something bad just because it always existed. Also when u say that the guys smurf because they have ruined there reputation and want to start fresh u supporting bad behavior. If they cant smurf they maybe start to think about what they talking and doing. Now they just change name do same shit over and over again. Only argument i can understand that some players are tired because they get annoyed with their main name. But i think there are other solutions to solve such trouble / problems. I am really impressed that so many players of lobby need smurfnames.

To ur position about pregames :

I would say that pre is now the most played set. There´s like whole time a day a p2n or p2s game running. Other sets kinda dead or played on GR. So its not that only few players are affected with smurfs i think most players playing Pre. Mabye not as their original set, but its most played nowadays.
Playing Pre 2v2v2v2 is real bad idea. Pre is 4vs4 medit map or on AOC 4vs4 plains map. With more than 2 teams its not possible to play a good game. Also rebalancing the teams in midgame cost time. So its not a solution. Its also untrue when u say that there is no possibility for players to improve gameplay when teams are balanced. 4vs4 Medit its like 2 2v2´s at same time. We mostly have a strong pocket with weaker wing vs good wing and weaker pocket. So the positions arent balanced but the team is. So u can learn from each other. Also if u play vs someone that is ur level u still can learn because u forced to try new things out for winning the game

[Ghost]

Faith, stop bashing the users or I'll remove your moderator privileges.

[P-51]

Lawlpwned

[simple_faith]

Faith, stop bashing the users or I'll remove your moderator privileges.

didnt know flaming was in the mod handbook nor the players guidelines for not getting banned, sorry folks, must be written there somewhere, i ll have to re read it, i apologize for not readinb m8 plz no take moderator privelegeez

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

Excessive Public Flaming of Other Users if we mute other people for that dont look good you doing it faith just cus your moderator now.