mid sh and siege towers or something

[Arntzen]

I remember that game as when my two enemies were stupid and went cav. And you compare 6 ST's to cheating?
You know I have alot respect for you Elite, after all the training and our strategy-talks. But here I believe you're wrong. Both on the dissrespect on heros, and on the ST-discussion. If 6 ST's can kill 2 players, then those players are doing something wrong! (Would like to note that I had 4 balista with x2 uppgrade on range when I attacked, at this point neither of you had siege.)

[Elite]

Siege towers are lame, thats really all there is to it

They cost less per unit than CA in gold and about the same as 2 CA in wood, and even 3 or 4 of them is enough to give you a major advantage in a CA v CA fight by forcing the other player to constantly reposition his CA while he's taking damage. A single unupgraded siege tower can survive for 4-5 seconds against a massive horde of cav archers, its just ridiculous. In all the time I've played EE I don't think I've ever used siege towers for anything other than their intended purpose (wall hopping) UNLESS my opponent started doing it first. I've played countless CA v CA 1v1's where I was without balli range and my opponent had it, I mixed trebs and won with superior micro. Its complete bullshit that you can spend 4-5 CA worth of resources and basically force your opponent to either make his own siege towers, or mix persians or siege. I refuse to do it; its a personal choice. Its like tc whoring in mod, you can argue its part of the game, but that doesn't make someone any less gay for doing it.

[Captain Nemo]

Ill agree on the siege towers being gay. Even if it's just used a little. Super annoying tactic, that is waaay too effective and easy to use.

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

I think seige towers are good if someone is gonna spam one unit it there problem if they die from it. It may be over powered but it changes the game and makes other team do different style. Doubt we want mid sh turning into gren wars where your just spaming cav archers all game makes it so boring and pointless.

[Captain Nemo]

trix I hope u are aware that there are already plenty of units able to beat the crap out of cav archers right? In early game swords will do the trick and later on ballistas kill them. No need for the siege towers. All they adds is that the other team will have to do it too. Yeah unless they have range attack rof on siege weapons which frankly will be a waste in civ points untill a gazillion f11

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

yea i know that but if someone is gonna just spam one unit cav arch they deserve to die with towers and to be fair in most mid sh games i played in i never see many using seige towers aless people have fun with mass towers and rams what is always fun but i had people use towers v me before and i just got on with it and stil ended up winning so aint like it is so over powering cus you just have to adjust.

[Captain Nemo]

Adjust all u want, if u have a cav archer civ and people start massing siege towers and a few ballistas on u u'll have to make siege towers too, unless u swapped to a whole lot of swords long ago.

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

whats matter with mixing in seige going bali or trebs makes game more different than the same old game i got bali attack and range in my civ what i had in for years and swap fast cus i know people just spam one unit of cav archers these days what is so pointless and makes game boring. People shouldnt expect to play a mid sh and there not to be seige in or they should play with rules lol :s

[Samuel]

I believe if you are the better player, you will just be able to beat your opponent regardless of his siege towers, you can add them too and still win the game. I actually think it adds new possibilities.

Possibilities that can still, however, be stamped out by a simple game title such as "Mid SH - No siege Towers"

[Captain Nemo]

u wanna use siege towers for the jumping over wall purpose. So no siege towers is not a possibility. Trix we're not discussing balli or trebs they're both fine. Problem with siege towers if they DON'T add to the micro at all. any idiot can park 100 siege towers in the other guy's army and the other guy parks 100 siege towers in his army and it's just a matter of who kills them all first. Very stupid and yes it is ruining a good game.

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

well all the years i played mid sh i had no problem with seige towers at all i just tried to work around it if they give you advantage of winning then i see np with it and i dont see many people using seige towers anyway if pocket goes bali`s and trebs anyway in late game and nice wing towers aint that effective towers will only piss the people off who try to get 4 archery ranges and mass pure cav archers what in my eyes is there fault for spamming one unit.

[Samuel]

u wanna use siege towers for the jumping over wall purpose. So no siege towers is not a possibility. Trix we're not discussing balli or trebs they're both fine. Problem with siege towers if they DON'T add to the micro at all. any idiot can park 100 siege towers in the other guy's army and the other guy parks 100 siege towers in his army and it's just a matter of who kills them all first. Very stupid and yes it is ruining a good game.

The name of the set is Mid SH.
If you don't want siege towers, add a rule and change the name of the set.
Make it Mid SH - no siege towers.

Don't keep it Mid SH and start complaining about siege towers .... that's just stupid, nobody prevents you from adding that rule.

Whenever you host/play a game that's called "Mid SH", by playing it, you are agreeing to the implied rule that there are "NO RULES". You are agreeing that Siege Towers can be built.
Then why on earth complaining about them if you had agreed on "no rules" beforehand?

If you don't like Siege Towers, make a rule about them, and rename your games: "Mid SH, no Siege Towers".

Simple as that.

[lightnessking.]

well in gameranger, you can have siege towers with 1.3K hitpoints.... I mean come on, reduce it to 400-600 would be good.

[Arntzen]

There is a big difference between spamming ST and making SIX of them. I agree TC-spam, raiding dogs, spam mortar on explore and spam ST is gay. BUT all these strats can easly be countered. Imo crying when someone makes 6 ST's is as stupid as crying when someone uses reli. Both strats doesnt need much skill, I agree on that, but they take advantage of your enemies misstakes. In this case the misstake was double cav.

If your against ST-SPAM then make a rule against that (example max 10 ST each). Dont ban the unit.

Also in 1v1's and when I'm with a clanmate I'll always play my best. I believe thats the reason I am were I am today skill wise, and also were a big factor why expert players bothered to train me. And still does.

[Arntzen]

well in gameranger, you can have siege towers with 1.3K hitpoints.... I mean come on, reduce it to 400-600 would be good.

This is also a good idea!