a new topic finally

[Captain Nemo]

Ya u're right. I stand corrected. Well if u really want u can rate the new SL setts too...

[Omega]

We need more disagreement on these forums.

Only a noob would go Knights in Mid SH 1v1.

Hit and run tactics are for pussies.

Pre is a strategically complex setting that gets undeserved hate.

Pre is for noobs who can't play any other settings.

Expansionism is for people who can't boom otherwise.

ViE Smoke > Krass in terms of skill.

People who don't like Doctor Who are uncool.

Pick a topic and disagree. Someone!?

[simple_faith]

We need more disagreement on these forums.

Only a noob would go Knights in Mid SH 1v1.

Hit and run tactics are for pussies.

Pre is a strategically complex setting that gets undeserved hate.

Pre is for noobs who can't play any other settings.

Expansionism is for people who can't boom otherwise.

ViE Smoke > Krass in terms of skill.

People who don't like Doctor Who are uncool.

Pick a topic and disagree. Someone!?

your black.

[Texas Ranger]

Only a noob would go Knights in Mid SH 1v1.

Hit and run tactics are for pussies.

Pre is a strategically complex setting that gets undeserved hate.

Pre is for noobs who can't play any other settings.

Expansionism is for people who can't boom otherwise.

ViE Smoke > Krass in terms of skill.

People who don't like Doctor Who are uncool.

Pick a topic and disagree. Someone!?

-Agree

-Disagree - hit & run can be used synonymously with 'micro' 99% of the time.

-Disagree, and I was unaware pre was hated on much. Where can I view this hate and add my own hate to it?

-Agree

-Disagree - people who can't boom without expansionism can't boom with it either. I can't think of a single exception.

-Idk who smoke is, but that seems very unlikely!

-Disagree - I dislike Dr. Who and am easily the coolest person on these forums.

[Omega]

Pity.

Hit and run can be construed as a dishonorable type of micro most of the time, compared to an honorable type of micro where one actually micromanages their units roughly within a field of battle in order to maximize their combat effectiveness. Hit and run is about maximizing the annoyance and cheap shot factor on your opponents, and wearing them down that way instead of out skilling them.

Pre hate breaks out in these forums randomly and spontaneously, just like it does in whisper conversations. Feel free to add your hate here. However, pre is strategically complex-at least as strategically complex as Middle SH, and likely moreso given that long-term strategy has a tremendous impact as well; you can't just coast through and not worry about advancing or mining/advancing as rapidly as possible without regard to the possible ramifications. Additionally, pre favors more entrenched forms of warfare, and although there are numerous skirmishes, coordinated military pushes need to be extremely well planned if they are to not result in disaster, much less succeed! Prophets and the slower nature of gathering / ability to rapidly expand / et cetera increases the strategic complexity, as you need to constantly plan for how you can bring out your 'big guns', how to avoid your opponent using theirs effectively, and so on and so forth.

Pity.

A large number of AoC Players can't boom for shit without expansionism. I'm an EEC player originally. I would know better than you!

Krass is a high-skill individual but he is not an outlier. There is a continuous distribution of skill leading (at least) to the point of skill where Krass is at, at least roughly given the much lower number of players (thus meaning we don't have infinite kernels or at least an amount not sufficiently different than an infinite number of kernels, but who cares about that, or even knows what I'm taking about?). Given this, We can assume that Krass if skill is normally distributed, and that Krass is perhaps approximately 3 sd to the right of the mean skill level (z_krass ~ 3), then approximately 0.135% of people will be of equal or better skill than Krass. The game had a MUCH larger population in the past, therefore, there isn't really any reason you should doubt my claim, nor is this really all that unlikely given the larger past population of EE. As for whether or not that player is Smoke, well, why else would I mention him if I didn't think he was super duper good? (It would have nothing to do with me beating Smoke in under 5 f11 in a WW1 game where RIC accused me of cheating, and Smoke generally being an asshole and crying for hours, if anyone were thinking that randomly)

Doctor Who is classic. If you're a straight male, name one of his adult female companions on the new series that you wouldn't fuck when they were in their prime, if given the chance. Point proven.

[Ghost]

If ____RIC____ says you cheated, you cheated.

[Omega]

If ____RIC____ says you cheated, you cheated.

He changed his mind after I showed him what I did was possible. Haha

[Arntzen]

I doubt that's exclusive to mod tl.

idk mod tl is fun with 8 good players. but if you dont have that i agree it isn't worth playing.

rip

We need more disagreement on these forums.
Only a noob would go Knights in Mid SH 1v1.

NOOOOO.
Scenario 1: Both players are equally horrible. Their army stay idle way to long and knight player wins late game.
Scenario 2: Both players are equally great and knights loose fairly quickly.
Scenario 3: One player is great, the other horrible, in which case it does not really matter what the great player does. For him to go knights is equally logical to any other of the three. It might even be the better choice assuming the lesser skilled player has second to non experience against a good knight player and have even less clue of what to do.

Hit and run tactics are for pussies.

Discorrect. Standard defence mechanism from guys loosing to someone who actually knows how to (ab)use their units efficiently. For example winning with Rome Arquebus vs Spain Arquebus, is impressive. At least in my book.

Pre is a strategically complex setting that gets undeserved hate.

As far as I know, the hate is towards: How slow p2s gameplay is. How boring club vs club every fucking game is, specially given the incredible defence a standard setting gives you. How stupid pre players are in any fighting from Bronze age. How incredible it is they still cry if the opponent is doing a pro rush. How sad it is that these people never had the balls to try out something new (new set).

Pre is for noobs who can't play any other settings.

Correction: Pre is almost exclusively for players who suck in all other settings (because they refuse to try out a new setting) and is therefor looked at as noobs.

Expansionism is for people who can't boom otherwise.

I gotta agree here. It is at least the "go-to civ" for people with less skill because they think they got a better chance of surviving.

ViE Smoke > Krass in terms of skill.

No one will ever know. However, loosing f11 5 to a push he didn't think was possible is not helping your case.

People who don't like Doctor Who are uncool.

"There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't" – Robert Benchley

[Black Star]

yep arntzen is right pre hast very slow gathering rate compared to other setts like Liga,mod which makes it a slow set. And pre depends too much on map and hunt. Every decent Player can hold a choked map as wing. pocket in 4v4 is nevertheless really complex. Cause you Need to know how to fight through all Ages. A lot of pre Player are horrible in late game. Also pre depends too much on mines.
If you get ishtar up you can defend until WW easy.
Pre is considered as noob set cause lots of pre Players cant Play other setts cause they are simply to fast for them.


Also Need to say: Omega writes to complex text no one understands, lmao, should give admin to faith! Faith for admin! everyone else sucks

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

Trix in all fairness faith was plenty good enough to join those Ws/eC mid games. I fail to see the big mid players in those clans apart from dave.

well tbh faith wasn't good enough nemo and ws and ec ran mid sh games everyday and their wasn't many mid players who was good enough to beat them but you didn't play much mid sh with us nemo we was playing daily so I cant see where ya coming from nemo. Even faiths best friend jaun who used to play mid in lobby got owned so much he had to cheat then vanished now he is so called best GR mid player lol.

[Texas Ranger]

A large number of AoC Players can't boom for shit without expansionism. I'm an EEC player originally. I would know better than you!

I agree, but I'm adding that they can't boom with expansionism either. They go expansionism because they think it's easier to boom, but then I still see them with 2-3 mines and <2 granaries at 15F11 despite not getting harassed. So even though their eco looks better than if they didn't have expansionism, it's relatively worse considering the 30 points they dumped into the power with very minimal gain.

[Captain Nemo]

Trix in all fairness faith was plenty good enough to join those Ws/eC mid games. I fail to see the big mid players in those clans apart from dave.

well tbh faith wasn't good enough nemo and ws and ec ran mid sh games everyday and their wasn't many mid players who was good enough to beat them but you didn't play much mid sh with us nemo we was playing daily so I cant see where ya coming from nemo. Even faiths best friend jaun who used to play mid in lobby got owned so much he had to cheat then vanished now he is so called best GR mid player lol.

Im sorry didn't Jen play in your games lol?

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

yea but was never best at mid more liga player but when we had ec v ws games she wasnt playing

[Captain Nemo]

yea but was never best at mid more liga player

So, basically like the rest of u. She was just pretty sucky. Yet still allowed in your games lol. So faith was indeed plenty good enough.

[simple_faith]

lmao Ws players were mediocre at best @ mid, you were probably the worst. they should have stuck to liga