a new topic finally

[Captain Nemo]

yeah I wasn't thinking of pope in 2007 but rather how good he became later on. As my point was that 2007-2008 was only just 2 years of middle and the set has been active throughout EE's lifetime. But sure Ws/eC sorta dominated middle of that time. Of course if Heros wanted to they woulda owned them both

[herik]

Ya one thing is clear here. We didn't join each other's mid games thats for sure. I remember playing enough mid games in 2007, as my personal arsenal of screenshots from those times proves (to myself). I definitely didn't play it as much as u in 2007, but Im sure in 2005 I played it more than u. In 2007-2008 sure Ws and eC were the best CLANS. They had the best players and middle isn't far from any other set. But Dave is exclusive to have mid as his first priority set among those players. The others did not reach their full potential in the set AT ALL, except perhaps u cause u were pretty good with swords .

Mid however, wasn't exclusive to 2007-2008. Infact for several years it had become the "noobset" of EE where DiS and MW would train their newbies and some of the sperm cells from those clans made it out of middle and into more sets and became experts. Other sperm cells faded with time
I remember it being more actively played by experts in 2003-ish but obviously can't remember alot of names as it's so long ago, and I wasn't very good at the time (to say the least).
But to name a few we have Omega obviously, and I'd even rate myself here aswell. Then we must also search AoC for good mid players, as there it was the top priority and they just understood the age better than the average allset player who had 1 sword civ and a ca civ. Absolutely as an example became pretty good in middle after he went on to eec. Seizmic I must admit was really good in eec aswell, should he have played it more he would be even better tho. Pope of dope is really good in middle aswell.

Not saying some eC/Ws players weren't very good in middle but if u compare it to their actual skill level in their prime setts they SUCKED to say the least in middle. Here Im mainly thinking of ras/krass/goldeneye (In all fairness krass improved alot since 2008, and Im also sure ras got the hang of the swords eventually) who were insane in the other sets they played but really didn't know middle very well.

As for pocket swords.. Thats an extremely easy strategy to perform Im not impressed by anyone who does it even if they have success. It's really like putting all your eggs in your opponent's basket cause if they can resist it there is absolutely nothing u can do to win the game. Alot of players are too "fairplay" to properly wall tho.

I stand by my critique of ras I saw it several games. Sometimes towers were up fast and he survived but never did he defeat his opponent wing or hurt him bad early or anything. "towers up fast" is usually something u say to a wing who is likely to die and seriously if u have ras on your team u're usually counting on him being a winning factor.

Just some facts for you guys-
seizmic trained dave. aoc name(WK (WitchKing))
ras cav-would b expert level easily (micro ability and booming)
Didn't splinter make it far into mid tounry, what about lavanger?kirac?himmy?(himmy main sett was mid back then, oh and grens haha)
apparently one of the best clans was ViE
I actaully don't believe you about ras getting beaten in wing so fast. Who did he get beaten by? How did he fail a simple barracks and tower rush? from what it sounds like you played with him on unfortunate maps.

[Captain Nemo]

Mixture of facts and general wonderings I might add. Well aware seiz trained dave, so what? Yes himmy, lava both great mid players haven't seen kirac play it. Splinter idk in his early days he always full walled and made swords. Had some success with that i guess. U're just guessing about ras lol but it's cute ... And vie died in like 2004 whats your point?

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

seizmic did train dave but when dave first come from aoc mid to eec mid he wasnt the best from far he started to turn really good 6 months after that then he left symbols for ws if i remember right then started to become one of best swords players.

You dont give ras enough credit for mid nemo he was one of the key players back then maybe you played against a ghost He was more of a team player in mid and not 1v1 but could play wing or pocket np and i remember this because it was either me or ras against dave on wing alot of times when it was ec v ws.
Also ras was the key players in indy tl and one of the best at that sett specially when he was kmk and created alot of the wing and pocket strats we stil use today.

himmy was nice mid player but he came too eec late and lavenger tending to stick to aoc more than coming to eec.

Kirac didnt play much mid sh was mostly dave,nevermind,assy,goldy for ec side

zealot cav arch mircro was best i saw and no doubt was one of strongest pockets.

Nem matured alot through later years of eec and had alot of success in mid
Hollyghost was also a nice sword player one of the higher players with swords.
wolvy was good mid player too i think when we was playing together we was like 30-0 2v2 and thats when ws and ec was playing daily mid more than they was liga. We was prob playing about 15 mid games a day and every year thats why im saying ws and ec was basically unstopable in that era of time.

[herik]

Mixture of facts and general wonderings I might add. Well aware seiz trained dave, so what? Yes himmy, lava both great mid players haven't seen kirac play it. Splinter idk in his early days he always full walled and made swords. Had some success with that i guess. U're just guessing about ras lol but it's cute ... And vie died in like 2004 whats your point?

I was just putting in facts. When last i saw dave and seizmic play together dave still shows respect to him, i'de say he taught him a little better then just the "basics" trix, guessing about ras? ive seen his cav skill first hand. me and kaz have both lost to his cav. (he hadnt even played mid for a long time, he was hardcore in liga). I believe i saw something in one of the posts on this topic about best clans, and was just confirming that Ws and eC were not the best ever clans to be on ee.

btw nemo did you put your name down to be expert in mid at 2003?

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

yea i know that herik but dave wasnt the pro he was today until about a year after he come to eec

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

thought you was mid f11 60 2003 ? ;p

[Texas Ranger]

Wow. Most people would have finished ages ago after that much stroking....

[herik]

who is this insult towards texas and reason?

[simple_faith]

who is this insult towards texas and reason?

it has to be for tricky, since this zero skill level scum actually thinks that Ws and eC were ever good at mid, lmfao laughable. they were probably the worst at mid if i recall, except for Nem who came from da beloved DiS.
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[[-Ts-] Tricky]

you really dont know much faith so its pointless even replying to your post as your below my ball sack

[Captain Nemo]

I was just putting in facts. When last i saw dave and seizmic play together dave still shows respect to him, i'de say he taught him a little better then just the "basics" trix, guessing about ras? ive seen his cav skill first hand. me and kaz have both lost to his cav. (he hadnt even played mid for a long time, he was hardcore in liga). I believe i saw something in one of the posts on this topic about best clans, and was just confirming that Ws and eC were not the best ever clans to be on ee.

btw nemo did you put your name down to be expert in mid at 2003?

Yes dave has alot of respect for seiz... why wouldn't he? Idk how well he taught dave but trix is right about dave's skill level when he first came to eec. He was already pretty good with ca micro I might add. I acknowledged ras's pocket skills and I agree he's very good at that. Ras is generally one of the best late game performers in many setts.

Yes I was top of the pop in 2003. Megs can confirm!

[Omega]

Players in 2003, ranked by SKILLZ*:
1. Nemo
2+. ???

Note(*): SKILLZ is, in this post, defined as ability and persistence in massing moderate amounts of the foot archers otherwise known as long bows.

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Of course, everyone sucked when they started playing. EVERYONE.

[Arntzen]

Of course, everyone sucked when they started playing. EVERYONE.

waddabout ___RIC___ ?????

[Ghost]

Sorry Tricky, but I'm pretttttttty sure the "eC vs Ws" thing was past EEC Mid SH prime. The only driving force behind those match-ups was ras looking to mix the settings up and it just so happens that the only thing Dave is good at in all of EE is longswords. I've played more than my fair share of Mid SH on both games and while ras isn't someone to overlook in a Mid SH game he also isn't anywhere close to worshiping.

While you seem to remember the nooby likes of DiS and MW, you only make small mention that Mid was played at a high level before that. This was when strategy and competition was defined in Mid. This is also when Mid was popular enough to be played across SH, DM, and TL. It just so happened that many players, including myself, moved on to other things and that allowed DiS and MW to roll in. Anybody that went back was immediately labeled a cheater because they were too good (I thought it was quite hilarious though).

By the time DiS/MW started to die off, so had most everyone else. Anything after DiS/MW was simply remnants of an old age mixed in with some all-setts/some-setts players with the 1 sword civ, 1 CA civ you talk about.